[RwandaLibre] FW: [fondationbanyarwanda] Sites memoriaux ku Gikongoro ngo zaba zirimo abatutsi bakabakaba kuli 200.000!

Aliko Bwana Byilingiro Ndi Semahoro nawe sinzi uko umeze, urahakanya ute bwana Ndolimana kandi na Premier wacu A. Murekezi yaragezaho akaduhishulira ko bulya nawe ali umututsi?

Ahubwo reba neza kuko wasanga ababalirwaga ku Gikongoro mbere ya 1995 bulya 95 % bashobora kuba bali abatutsi!

Icyokora ibi ni mubyemeza bilica bimwe by'uko indangamuntu yanditsemo ubwoko aliyo yatumye abatutsi bakorerwa genocide, ndetse na kamwe za USA zivuga ko bali minorite kaveho!

Nyamara muzasanga intambara twarwanye ngo turarengera amoko ataliho zali zishingiye, byali nka ya nyamaswa yiruma ikilizo ivuga ko ali icy'indi ishaka guca!

Mbiswa daa.

To: democracy_human_rights-digest@yahoogroupes.fr
From: fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:21:46 -0700
Subject: [fondationbanyarwanda] Sites memoriaux ku Gikongoro ngo zaba zirimo abatutsi bakabakaba kuli 200.000!

Ndolimana, uragira uti: "Ushatse kumenya abatutsi uko banganaga muri Gikongoro mbere ya genocide yo muri 1994, wahera kw'ibarura rigaragaza ko iMurambi ya Gikongoro hashyinguye abatutsi barenga 50.000, mu Cyanika hakaba hari +/-20.000, mu Bunyambili iKaduha hakaba hashyinguye +/-40.000, i Musange hashyinguye +/-10.000, muri Nyaruguru naho niko bimeze nubwo ho hari abaharokotse kubera kubasha guhungira iBurundi.

Semahoro, ngirango uvuka Gikongoro niba ntibeshya, bityo iyi estimation y'abatutsi bari bahatuye (prefecture Gikongoro) mbere ya genocide, nawe wayikora maze warangiza ukongeraho abari hagati ya 15.000 na 25.000 bishwe muri genocide yo muri 1963."

Iyo ndebye statistiques officielles ngendeye kuri Recensements ebyiri zibanziriza 1994, ahubwo nibaza nabariya 50.000 bari iMurambi aho babakuye, kuko Gikongoro yose itari ibagejejeho! Cyakora ubwo ubara ukageza mumwaka wa 1963, ibyoroshye ni uguhera muli 1995, kuko abaguye iKibeho amagufa yabo ariyo yoroshye kuboneka ko ari ayo abazize genocide ya 1994, kurusha amagufa batanazi aho yagiye y'abo muli 1963.

Recevez la Bénédiction Complète des Cœurs Unisde la Très Sainte Trinité en Union avec le Cœur Immaculé de Marie !
Ndi Semahoro
www.byilin-hope.blogspot.com

On Monday, October 20, 2014 5:28 AM, "tatienndolimana miheto tatien2miheto@yahoo.fr [Democracy_Human_Rights]" <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr> wrote:

So sorry Ignace, nari nagarukiye ku ntambara ya 1990-1994, ndakwinginze kandi ujye ugerageza kugira empathie, birafasha cyane, iyo uyigira muri echangees zacu, washoboraga gutekereza ko nshobora kuba nagushubije ngendeye kuri référentiel y'intambara ya 1990/1994.

Ku byerekeye Kibeho, reka tubivugeho byimbitse, mu gihe cya genocide muri avril 1994 hiciwe abatutsi barenga 20.000, nyuma muri avril 1995 inkambi yaho isenywa na Leta gisirikari maze abaturage bari bayirimo barenga 130.000 bataha iwabo ariko hagwa abari hagati ya 375 (imibare ya Leta) na 5.000 (imibare ya zimwe muri za ONGs).

De : "Ignace Rudahunga rudahi20@hotmail.com [Democracy_Human_Rights]" <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr>
À : "Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr" <democracy_human_rights@yahoogroupes.fr>
Envoyé le : Lundi 20 octobre 2014 10h33
Objet : RE: *DHR* Re:

Mbe Ndorimana,

Waba ubiterwa n'ubuhumyi bwa politiki cyangwa bwaba ari ubugome? Buriya i Kibeho nta bahutu bahaguye? urwo kandi ni urugero gusa. Ariko mwagerageje tukaba abantu ,ibibi bibaye ku bandi bikatubabaza tutavanguye. Ese ubwo mutekereza ko iyi myitwarire hari benshi igirira nabi? Nyamara ibihe biri imbere bizaba bibi kurusha ibyashize niba tutivuguruye. Imana izakumfashirize iguhe ubuzima burambye kugirango uzabone ibizaza.

To: Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr
From: Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:15:22 +0100
Subject: Re: *DHR* Re:

Muvandimwe Ignace,

Muri Gikongoro hari zone turquoise, nta ntambara yigeze ihabera, mu yandi magambo à ma connaissance nta bantu bahaguye basize intambara (ntabo amasasu yatarukiye bitagenderewe, nta bahiciwe n'abagome mu ntambara aribyo twita crimes de guerre, etc).

Ese ku GIKONGORO ho nta bahutu bahaguye? Niba barahaguye se aho bashyinguwe harazwi? Mbibajije kuko nabonye imibare yawe hari aho ishingiye ku ibarura ryo mu urwibutso.

To: Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr
From: Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 22:24:13 +0100
Subject: Re: *DHR* Re:

Puisqu'on y est, il apparaît clairement que seule la prefecture Gikongoro compte +/- 150.000 Tutsi tués pendant le génocide de 1994, soit donc un nombre proche des 200.000 publiés par les fameux professeurs/chercheurs pour les 10 prefectures, chercheurs qui ont certes été conseillés et abusés par certains rwandais.

j'imagine que ces chercheurs ne tarderont pas à retirer et ou corriger leurs publications.

De : "tatienndolimana miheto tatien2miheto@yahoo.fr [Democracy_Human_Rights]" <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr>
À : "Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr" <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr>
Envoyé le : Dimanche 19 octobre 2014 18h04
Objet : Re: *DHR* Re:

Ariko se wa mugabo we Semahoro,

Uratubwira kugendera ku byasomwe cyangwa ibyakozweho na ba Gervais n'aba Professeurs/bashakashatsi barimo aba banyamerika badukanye ko abatutsi bazize genocide mu Rwanda ari 200.000 nk'aho twe tutari abantu bashobora gusesengura ikibazo tuganiraho (umubare w'abatutsi mbere ya 1959 na nyuma yaho kugeza genocide iraye iri bube).

Jye mfite ubushobozi buruta ubwa Gervais bwo gusesengura iki kibazo mu karere mvukamo nk'uko nawe afite uburuta ubwange bwo kugisesengura mu karerere avukamo, aho nkomoka umuturage wese wari uhatuye mbere ya genocide, azi ko usibye icyahoze ari commune Musebeya, ahandi hose (Karambo, Musange na Muko) umusozi umwe kuri ibiri wari utuwe n'abatutsi gusa gusa.

Ushatse kumenya abatutsi uko banganaga muri Gikongoro mbere ya genocide yo muri 1994, wahera kw'ibarura rigaragaza ko iMurambi ya Gikongoro hashyinguye abatutsi barenga 50.000, mu Cyanika hakaba hari +/-20.000, mu Bunyambili iKaduha hakaba hashyinguye +/-40.000, i Musange hashyinguye +/-10.000, muri Nyaruguru naho niko bimeze nubwo ho hari abaharokotse kubera kubasha guhungira iBurundi.

Iyi exercise nshobora gukora kuri Gikongoro, n'abandi bashobora kuyikora ku zindi prefectures bavukamo bakaba bagira une idée réaliste kuri iyi ngingo tuganiraho.

Usibye Gisenyi, Ruhengeri na Byumba, izindi Pregitura zose z'URwanda, ndavuga, Butare, Gitarama, Kigali (umugi na Kigali Ngari), Kibungo, Gikongoro, Kibuye na Cyangugu, umuturage usanzwe abisuzumye yahita akora constat nk'iyi mvuga ko abatutsi n'abahutu bari baturanye umusozi ku wundi.

De : "Semahoro byilin@yahoo.com [Democracy_Human_Rights]" <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr>
À : "Joy Imanzi joy.imanzi@yahoo.fr [Democracy_Human_Rights]" <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr>
Envoyé le : Samedi 18 octobre 2014 5h46
Objet : Re: *DHR* Re:

Gervais nimumubaza imibare babonye muzumirwa!

Mushatse mwakwemera iya Dr. Byanafashe, wemezako batarengaga 1000 kubw'abakoloni. Kandi kubigeraho mushatse mwabibona, muturutse kuri bariya bana 3 bene Mututsi mythique baje bava mu Buha bw'i Burundi, au 17eme siecle, ntibazagera kuli 1000 muli siecles 2 1/2! Ibindi ni ugutekinika.
Ndi Semahoro

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"Joy Imanzi joy.imanzi@yahoo.fr [Democracy_Human_Rights]" <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr> wrote:

>Muri iyo recensement ya 1978, Niyibizi Silas yari yungirijwe na statisticien Condo Gervaisumwe mu bayobozi ba RNC.
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>Nibarize Semakweli: uyu nyakwigendera François FUNGA uvuga ni wa wundi wandikaga muri Dialogue? Ko twabanye igihe kirekire no mu nama z'icyo kinyamakuru tuganira ku bibazo by'u Rwanda nta nkomyi, ko atigeze atubwira iby'iyo mibare wita ko ififitse y'ibarura ry'Abanyarwanda? Nzi ko atigeze ahungira muri Kongo nkuko ubyemeza (yaguye muri jenoside ya 1994). Nakwibutsa ko Ibarura rusange ry'Abanyarwanda (bari mu Rwanda icyo gihe) ryabaye muri Kanama 1978 riyobowe na démographe Silas NIYIBIZI. Ubanza akiriho umwegereye yagusobanurira iby'iyo mibare, itandukanye cyane n'iyo uvuga ko wabwiwe mw'ibanga!
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>> Message du 11/10/14 16:25
>>> De : "skweli@yahoo.fr [Democracy_Human_Rights]" <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr>
>>> A : Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr
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>>> Excusez: le nom du démographe du Kinyaga est François FUNGA
>>Tandis que le chef du Kinyaga est Fundi.

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